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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 20/08/2011 16:18:21 In doing my research into linking the clues into a coherent picture of New Eden's "Ancient Races" I have stumbled across the relevence of Tau Ceti to the fiction. I intend to back up my theories with hard evidence, sustainable in-game. But, the breadcrumbs keep pulling me out of game to tie it together. Frustrating, to say the least.
Tau Ceti appears in the Eve time line as one of the departure points from the Milky Way to New Eden. It's proximity to Epsilon Eridani, the supposed location of the "other" eve gate and the natural wormhole the gates "stabilized", makes it an obvious jumping off point for "Terrans" from any of the Galaxy they inhabited. Which I don't believe could have been the entire Milky Way. After all, they relyed on "gate technology and jump drives". Some of the locations would take longer than twenty thousand years to reach conventionally, some expeditions would become lost. Many might never reach the target systems.
I always wondered that "Frenchmen" seemed an almost anachronistic term in a far flung fictional future. But, it is there, as are the Gallente, so it must be so. But, does that make Tau Ceti "French"? I do not believe so. It is hinted that Tau Ceti was composed of a City Planet or Planets(Ecumenopolis), the population had grown to the point the planetary surface and subsurface were consumed by modifications for human habitation. It is also hinted that many factions vied here, in one of the likely, two oldest human habitions beyond Earth and it's Solar System.
The thing about Tau Ceti that we know from current scientific data, also points to the thesis the "Best Habitable" planet would be a Jupiter like gas giant. A Jovian planet. So, from this Jovian system, a mix of the societies of humanity might have immigrated to New Eden. Oddly, they supposedly became the Gallente, whom the Jovian's dislike.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:32:00 -
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According to the Eve Intro Video, the parts of the Milky Way inhabited by man were depleted of resources, becoming hard pressed to provide for the Galactic Civilization they had created. Mankind was on a downward spiral of self defeat. And then New Eden was discovered. A vast reservoir of untapped resources. Can we truly see mankind as finding an equitable division of these resources, or did new fighting erupt to control these resources?
The timeline states that planetary systems were "sold", meaning someone was in logistical control of the Eve wormhole. A "Terran" authority, or a single, or cooperative, group of factions?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:24:00 -
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"All technology is applied, eventually."
I agree it is very likely the technology is multi-purpose, but, the weapon is inherent in the tech, I think that is part of the point.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 20/08/2011 19:11:46
And so, I have to follow leads where they take me, and in many instances, they lead to the Jove.
What is it the eugenics program of the First Jovian Empire removed from humanity? I'd argue it to be a conception of man's sinful nature. Aggression, Sexual Reproduction, the survival instincts. What portion of mankind's community most generally presumes the sinful nature of man? And from where does this decree of values come? A religious denomination and the word of God.
Taking this logic further, is this religion the same that is practiced, albeit in schismatic form, by the Amarr, and the Sisters of Eve, a Unified Catholic Church, perhaps?
If this is so, then perhaps the "Reclaiming" is an echo of something that happened in the past, a "Claiming" by the Conformists of New Eden from the Unified Catholic Church. The cataclysmic events of the closing of the Eve Gate.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.21 00:55:00 -
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While all or none of this may be a flight of pure fancy, it draws the community's attention to the Jove, and the huge mystery that surrounds them. Surely, then, the Jove deserve the effort and attention as one of the "Ancient Races" of New Eden?
I have already asked for official sanctioning from Arek'Jaalan. I now present it to the community in the hopes they concur.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.23 13:59:00 -
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Returning to comparative study, The Talocan stand out as unique in many ways from the other ancients. The Talocan show evidence of advanced shielding. They also show evidence they may have used cloaking devices. All being advanced field theory, a specialty seemingly pioneered by the Yan Jung. Who also seem to share a racial specialty in mining with the Talocan. Many Talocan sites are obvious mining stations. Talocan mining sites show rare evidence of Veldspar in Anoikis.
Are there, then, hidden structures in wormhole space we have not encountered because of Talocan cloaking technology?
Talocan structural nomenclature suggests the Talocan were as intimately tied to the stars as are the Sleepers. Core sites hug the inner solar systems, close to the stars, while outposts meander out away from the stars. This nomenclature carries over between the races, as well. The Sleepers use Core, Perimeter and Frontier, while the Talocan used Core, Perimeter and Outpost in their naming conventions. The prevalence of Talocan Transponders suggests the Talocan, like the Sleepers, used an extensive communications system in Anoikis, possibly tied to navigation.
If we go strictly by nomenclature, it suggests the Sleepers were first in Anoikis, one must encounter a frontier before one can build an outpost.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 27/08/2011 12:55:41 Actually, no, read above to pure speculation.. I have read no canon that puts the other end of the Eve Gate in ANY specific location, but, I have seen "rumour" that both Epsilon Erandani and Canopus were the system. Love to have that clarified, if anyone can.
Canopus is a good possibility due to it's luminosity. The mysterious bright star in all Eve skies points to a superluminous event. Canopus is a very bright star, and it is very far away from Earth, likely one of our theoretical\fictional last systems investigated.
Epsilon Eradani is relatively close in astronomical terms, and very close to Tau Ceti, mentioned in the timeline as the origin point of the Gallente colonists. |
Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.28 18:27:00 -
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Further evidence, once again OOC and deductive, Zoroastrianism has been posited by the devs as the inspirational source of the Amarr religion, and subsequently the Unified Catholic Church, as well. Zoroastrianism's most holy day is "Nowruz", a celebration of the New Year at the Vernal Equinox. A transitory, or nomadic society generally forms gathering places at certain times of the "year" to trade, arrange marriages, and share community, etc.. The Oruze Enclave could be such a temporary, living and celebrating point for the Early(Preupload) Sleepers. The Talocan were transitory, as well, providing further evidence of a direct relationship between the "races".
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.28 20:03:00 -
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Fire is the associative element with Nowruz celebrations, fire and water the holy elements to Zoroastrians. What better place to harness fire than from a star?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.29 00:19:00 -
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Zoroastrian Fire Temple. You seem to know more than I, so I will just point out more ideas, such as Iconoclasm. Certainly a valid subject with regards to the mythological events of the Eve Gate Cataclysm, as well as the story of the Takmahl..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.29 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 29/08/2011 03:16:10 Another thought that occurs to me. Does T(l)alocan denote the people, or the place? Tlaloc is the name of the "god", Tlalocan is the direct reference to a layer of heaven that he rules over. Is it, like Anoikis, a reference to their abode in wormhole space?
Seeing as how the Jove refer to the current state of wormhole space as Anoikis (programmed cell death) could Talocan be the place(Heaven) they retreated to, in an attempt to fix the self inflicted disease, maybe in the place the disease first "escaped" the Jovians? Or do the Talocan and Sleepers hold their own disparate stories, distinct from the Jove?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.29 10:29:00 -
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I agree, it's frustrating to not have all this info ingame. I disagree that it makes these points invalid, though..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:23:00 -
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Yes, the nomenclature implies frontier era Southwest U.S., I think it is a hints at the culture of the time, which is likely equated as "lawless and dangerous". Considering the Talocan and Yan Jung and Caldari and Gallente seem to mirror each other, it makes one wonder..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.30 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 30/08/2011 18:06:48
Just got to reading the Incursion report from where else? New Caldari, where one of the bio lab break in attempts took place. Does anyone know if an Incursion or spacial rift appeared in Botane at this time, as well?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.31 03:39:00 -
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For those interested in the likeliest inspiration for the Jove? And another reason I believe the Yan Jung to be Jovians? I'm an old Trekkie..
Ala SS Botany Bay.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.03 22:41:00 -
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Very interesting reading list, folks. The Yang Jung very much resemble the Jove, they have several "inductive reasons" to possibly be Jovian. The Jove possess the ability to always know what everyone else is doing. They are the premiere "secret agents" in the world of Eve. The Yang Jung possessed binary transpositional code. A code that arguably allows them to assimilate most data from other "entities" in New Eden. Now, employing inductive logic, the chances are good I could be right. Or, the Jove "assimilated" this technology to use themsleves, in the fashion I described..
The Yan Jung employed Semiotic Theory. Arguably, such a concentration of effort could be likened to "psychohistory". I think that Yang Jung Crystal Cylinders could actually hold the key to further unlocking their culture. The Jovian Elders arguably embarked on a path of social engineering through genetics, to move humananity closer to the Omega Point. And once again, in my mind, moves them towards a religious connotation. And suggests an affinity of ideology between the Jove and Yan Jung..
The Yan Jung seem to have experienced a similar fate to the "augments" in the Star Trek episode Space Seed. The first two entries in the Ancient Races study department under Yang Jung Relics, are spaceships converted to living space on a moon, the planets they lived on experienced some cataclysm that made them uninhabitable. They show evidence of being biologists, from the same entries. They also show use of minerals not generally considered useful in todays technology. An implication of technology we are not privvy to.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.04 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 04/09/2011 05:11:18
Back to the Yan Jung, because I know I will be taken to task over the biologist assertation. And it helps to solidify the Yan Jung as Asian. Look at the Yan Jung relics, some of them are obtained through manipulation of biological materials. Vellum is a very fine grade parchment made from animal skins(Yan Jung Vellum Etch). Silk is created by a caterpillar. The best silk from a "worm" domesticated by the Chinese (Yan Jung Silk Armor).
The Yan Jung survived the closing of the Eve Gate. They also seem to have maintained a large stock of captive livestock, or the DNA thereof. Or they had a very astute knowledge of synthetic manufacturing. The crates of goods discovered in Algintal show evidence of biological samples from a hydroponics lab. This is alot of evidence for advanced biological technical endeavor. A trait shared with the Jove, whose ships have been described as almost biological in appearance.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.04 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 04/09/2011 18:13:04 The Yang Jung hint at so much more than simply cloaking tech. The Yan Jung were masters of spatial field theory. Shields, cloaks, wormholes, even the armor repair units rely on spatial fields to improve repair rates. So much of what we see in New Eden today seems directly related to the field theory of the Yan Jung. As well, the Rogue Drones seem to be intimately connected to the Yan Jung.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 05/09/2011 12:57:55
My youth was spent chasing occult wisdom and "secret" knowledge..
I recognized it as soon as Valeria published her findings. What was it the fleeing Isrealites created to represent their God, much to His unending ire? Oh, yes, a gilded bull calf idol.
9 For a hundred years while the sefrim watched over the empire no wars or epidemics or famines ruined the lands and the people were content and joyous. 10 From Istha in the north and Melekel in the south and Edras in the east and from Iphria in the west people came to pray before the holy sefrim and receive a blessing to take home to their families. 11 The sefrim stood tall and beautiful, clad in their white and amber robes, with masks of gold and silver to protect people from being struck dead by their angelic beauty. 12 And all this time the emperor Amash-Akura did not age one day and was as healthy and strong as the day he came of age. The Scepter gave him vigor and the Crown gave him acumen and his rule was wise and fair. 13 Then Molok the Deceiver sundered the lands and the people suffered floods and plagues conjured by him. Molok turned the people against the sefrim and people who once sang their praise now abhorred them.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 22:52:00 -
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The Crown and Sceptre also seem to hold clues to the mystery, too.. It is, perhaps, as well, tied in with the Achura. Who to my mind are descendants of the Yan Jung, along with the Ni Kunni. Notice the Ouroboros used in both racial symbols. Identified in many of the "races" I believe to be Yang Jung descendants. Sometimes reproduced as an unbroken circle.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 06/09/2011 02:51:23
The Ouroborus also alludes to Alchemy, the Eternal Return, and ties in to another philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer.
It also links in Hindu, Taoist, Confusionist and Bhuddist, and any other eastern religions I have neglected, into the Unified Catholic Church, in honorific allegory of Frank Herbert's Orange Catholic Bible.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 02:49:00 -
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..reserved..
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